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Matthew Rampley's avatar

I cannot engage with all of the argument, much of which I agree with. Bluesky is best avoided for reasons stated. However, the anger at Klein etc al was because he misrepresented Kirk as some kind of Socratic contrarian. There is nothing courageous about arguing with a bunch of young students whose ideas are still hardly formed and whose ability to hold an argument was even less developed. And then to release edited footage of the encounter to show yourself in the best possible light. Moreover, the injunction "Prove me wrong" sums up everything that was so problematic about his approach. It was not about genuinely engaging in a debate where you both might learn something or where you might even change your mind or reflect on your own values. Several times, Kirk was shown to be hollow, and then his response was to simply double down on his original position rather than, say, go and think about his ideas. I'm all for engaging with others who have radically different views, and as an academic, I agree that academia has become a self-destructive political monoculture. However debate has to be in good faith, and that, sadly, was not what he was about.

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Doctor Hammer's avatar

It strikes me as odd that you make politics by propaganda the habit of the right and politics of performance the habit of left, as opposed to recognizing that these are inherent behaviors of both/all political mass movements. The leadership (Musk and... well you didn't mention any on the left) tells people what it wants them to believe based on what benefits the leadership, and the adherents tell people what they feel to signal their loyalty and standing to the group. Propaganda tells those who already are following what they are supposed to espouse, and performance signals the group loyalty of the follower.

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