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Alexander Kustov's avatar

Thanks, Tibor (and Dan), this is great as usual! My experience is that even among immigration professors, very few people are willing to acknowledge the veracity of all these true points.

But I'm a bit disappointed in you not having any sort of conclusion here. Especially for the broader public, my experience is that leaving things at "it's complicated" is never a good idea.

As I've written before (https://www.popularbydesign.org/p/immigration-is-not-a-thing-that-has), there's plenty of evidence strongly suggesting that some types of immigration (young, male, low-educated, arriving under asylum or illegal entry) are involved in crime, so you can't just brush it aside. The question people are usually interested in is not whether an exogenous increase in immigration in general raises crime in a particular area, but whether admitting a certain number of young asylum seekers from a particular region will make their country safer or not. That's a different thing altogether. So I do want to push you a bit on having the courage to say what you think we should actually do about any of this :)

P.S. Also, I see a potential Lauren Gilbert erasure: https://www.laurenpolicy.com/p/immigration-and-crime-in-europe

Fredrik J's avatar

I'm going to comment on the area I know something about: Swedish crime stats.

Firstly, the number of foreign borns in Swedish prisons is unknown, because they don't want to do statistics on it. One estimate is that 70-80% of the prison population has "foreign background". (foreign born or with both parents being foreign born)

The number 24% is how many prisoners that have foreign citizenship.

Secondly, the crime rates for some groups is a lot higher than x3. Here is a screenshot from a report by the Crime Prevention Agency. https://postimg.cc/G9CbWPPX It is not translated but I can explain that men, age 15 and above, born in North Africa, 24% were suspected of a crime. In second generation it is 30%.

East Africa and Other Africa have almost identical numbers.

This can't just be explained away by saying that suspicion is not the same as convictions, age, socioeconomy, racism or what not. There are clear and indisputable differences, and the rate for those nations is x10 that of those with native background.

30% suspected of crime is not a tiny minority, it's a significant amount.

As for Jerzy Sarnecki, he has since the 1980s done research with the purpose of proving that immigration cannot possibly increase crime, in such a stubborn way that he has become a meme.

The flaw in adjusting for income, education and socioeconomy is that criminal people tend to be poor and uneducated. They tend to live in poor areas and surround themselves with similar individuals. If we adjust for poverty, we could claim that no one has any overrepresention. We could bring in a million illiterates and have soaring crime rates, and yet claim that "adjusted for education, crime rates have not increased".

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