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Pete Griffiths's avatar

"Marx’s claim that “it is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness."

I think the way you discuss this has the merit of clarity but I suspect it lacks some necessary context. it overlooks the fact that Marx was involved in a polemical dispute with the philosophers of his time. His was not an attack on everyday commonsensical views about the world and of course he knew that thinking about the world influenced existence, this was obvious. His attack was on Hegel's view of the leading role of spirit in human affairs. If you see world history as the unfolding of the works of an idea, as did Hegel (and others of the period) then Marx set about turning this on its head (as did Feuerbach). Having turned it on his head, seeing the world as evolving not as the unfolding of spirit but as the development of the real material world in social circumstances with social modes that were not forces of nature but networks of social conventions that have developed historically then his notion of historical materialism is perhaps at this level more appealing and his emphasis on the importance of social relations is surely justified. We live in such a social network and that network does indeed profoundly structure our consciousness. Historical materialism from this perspective is just the recognition that the real world (not the spirit world) is the world we live in and this world evolves historically and that an important dimension of this is social relationships and in this he emphasized key economic relationships, believing that these relationships had a profound impact on the structure of the society of which they were a part. The truth of this is pretty obvious and has been brilliantly discuss for example by Polanyi in The Great Transformation which charts the evolution of key economic relationships that it is so easy today to take for granted as facts of life as if they as immutable as the laws of nature. :)

It is tricky talking about Marx today because he wrote before modern social sciences existed and his work ranged across philosophy, economics, sociology, political theory, historical studies... He got a lot wrong that's for sure.And the tools he used are hopelessly out of date. But seen in proper context his was a pretty remarkable body of work and he did get some big things right. The world is not the evolution of some spirit, the world and our interpretation of it are shaped by the social relations that we have developed, those relationships do evolve and are not facts of nature, economic relations are profoundly important to the structure of any society. Many of these things are taken for granted today. But that was not always the case.

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I agree with several of your observations but am not convinced by your argument. I want raise two points:

1. Your interpretation of Marx’s theory of ideology puts most emphasis on the aspect of the ruling class and its manipulation of the workers’ consciousness. This is very much the perspective of the later Marxists, from Lukacs to Gramsci to Adorno, essentially to explain why the workers did not overthrow capitalism.

I want to offer a different interpretation. The starting point for Marx was the critique of religion, as developed by Feuerbach, from whom he took the idea that humans can be governed by their own creations, as summarized in this quote:

‘As, in religion, man is governed by the products of his brain, so in capitalist production, he is governed by the products of his own hand’ (Marx, Capital vol 1).

Humans created religions and God, but believers think God created humans. Accordingly, for Marx, in capitalism false consciousness is the product of an ‘inverted reality’. This inverted reality is reflected in thought and leads to mystifications. Faulty reasoning is not the problem as people develop necessarily false beliefs in such a society. Education and better information will not be enough to change this, as someone who can explain mirages does not thereby cease to see them.

The mystification in capitalism is the view that capital has occult powers which make it grow, whereas the source of surplus is hidden (I know you think the labour theory of value is untenable, but this does not affect the basic line of Marx’s argument).

Marx’s theory of ideology is closely related to the notions of reification and alienation: Things are concealing social relations and appear to have power over us. This line of thought opens the possibility to imagine another world in which humans become masters of their own fate.

There are problems with this argument, too. But for now, I just want to make the point that your dismissal of Marx depends on a very peculiar construction of his argument. It is informed by a retrospective interpretation, mainly informed by the Frankfurt School.

2. Your take on this famous Marx quote

-- ‘it is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness.’ --

You comment:

‘Even setting aside most of the other claims associated with historical materialism, this “materialist” idea looks to be obviously wrong. Historically, one of the great pathologies of philosophers is a tendency towards absurd exaggeration. That’s on full display here. The claim that ideas do not float free of material factors is an important insight, albeit not one original to Marx. The idea that they are wholly downstream of more basic material factors is simply mistaken.’

As you correctly explain, by materialist Marx does not mean a metaphysical doctrine, ‘but a sociological one about the priority of “material” factors over ideas in explaining historical change.’

Sociologists would later use the term social relations to describe this process, for example Durkheim with his different mechanisms of creating social order, through integration and regulation. Mary Douglas has taken this further in her grid-group analysis. This body of work assumes, as you do, that the fee floating of ideas does not help us understand belief formation on a societal scale, which is to say that we can find some kind of pattern which show a correspondence between social structure and ideologies. Of course there will always be exceptions, but these cannot count as a refutation of a theory.

What I find interesting (and ironic) is that you also follow this Marx-Durkheim-Social Science methodological device when proposing the term ‘socially motivated ignorance’ (in your Synthese article). As you say, we don’t get very far with the notion of ‘the free floating of ideas.’ But you attack Marx for absurdly exaggerating by explaining them via ‘downstream of more basic material factors.’ How is your analysis of socially motivated ignorance different to this?

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