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Nina's avatar

I agree with your criticism. A camper that didn’t contribute anything of value (not even excellent conversation for example) would not be invited again. However, I disagree with you in equal measure - you’re making the mirror image mistake. People have sex because it feels good and take care of their children and relatives because they love them (as well as more practical and selfish reasons.) Infanticide and literal self sacrifice for one’s kids are BOTH well within normal human behavior depending on the circumstances and culture (AND the individual!). People certainly can and do love others outside their own family - and so will help them even if it hurts themselves! Some don’t seem capable of this, others for only one person while others still have a very strong instinct to help pretty much any human being they come across. This isn’t to slight that MOST people have self interest playing a role in most interactions but that’s not all and not all the time. People living in Nazi occupied territory hiding Jews aren’t acting self interested in any way, risking themselves and their families. And because humans are so diverse and malleable we can steer between the two natural extremes a fair amount - where a solid majority will act in a more selfish or more prosocial way. But ignoring out of existence one of the real extreme instincts will not give us a well functioning society.

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Justin Ross's avatar

I have yet to meet a Marxist who has even the remotest grasp on reality. On things like evolution, trade-offs, selfishness, social organization, or even the basics of human nature. It's all idealism, all the way down.

You cannot "educate" the entire species into being wholesome any more than you can lecture a man into being attracted to a woman he doesn't find attractive. You have to work with what you've got.

To ignore that fundamental truth is not noble or philosophically interesting - it is, as you said, culpably naive. Comically unhelpful.

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