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Matt Ball's avatar

Gosh, this is fantastic. Thank you for sharing. It seems to me that online communities are significant drivers of a higher percentage of people believing delusions, compared to, say, 1990 (but maybe not compared to when we lived in smaller communities?).

I particularly like how succinct these lines are in covering so much important info:

"Outside of narrow domains, knowledge of our reality is not the default state of human minds, even when they are healthy or functioning well.

"...enables perfectly rational, healthy individuals to co-create spectacular forms of madness and irrationality"

Mephistophilis's avatar

Oh wow. Yes that is quite pricey - I can't promise I'll be shelling out for that.

I must say I'm always a bit sceptical about philosophical theories of delusions. I remember hearing someone like Martin Davies talking about how patients don't act on their delusions and being struck by how little his description reflected the patients I actually saw where they certainly did act on their delusions in various rather serious ways.

Personally I tend towards a salience description of delusions - there's a balance of internal and external salience and a lot of what I might call "overvalued ideas" like AI psychosis, conspiracy theories etc seems to depend on external reinforcement and/or lack of friction against such ideas. But in the true delusional experiences I see esp delusional perceptions, nihilistic delusions, and thought alienation and passivity phenomena I'm a lot more sceptical of any kind of social explanation. Sure delusional content is often related to what is going on in the world around the patient - I don't see so many fears about the IRA but a lot more about being called a paedophile now. But these really do seem to be driven by internal rather than external features.

You really have to debate with someone who is psychotic (e.g. trying to persuade someone to eat who is fasting for months because God has told them they can exist on air) to understand just how outside of normal discourse and argument they are. To have a doctoral student explain to you that they understand how what they are saying sounds incredible *but it is really happening to them*!

So I'm a little intrigued how you thread the needle of delusions being both social generated and the sufferer being socially disconnected through epistemic vigilance.

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