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Geoff Olynyk's avatar

Absolute tour de force. This one needs to get into the New York Times and should get you an interview on Ezra Klein’s show.

I am a small-L liberal (though also a large-L Liberal Party of Canada voter for most of my life) and find myself guilty of many of the behaviours you list in here, particular in wanting to simply regulate social media into nonexistence to restore the elite gatekeepers. At least in Canada we’re going to get to see if the EU and UK has any success at this before we try.

But if you’re right and that effort is doomed to failure — we have crossed a rubicon and elite gatekeeping is never coming back — then it has big implications for the entire project of social progress. I am more pessimistic than you that if the elites simply engage with the public that things can move forward.

Immigration here in Canada is a good example. Broadly speaking, Canada only had white immigration until the 1960s when, under Trudeau Sr, the modern version of race-blind points-based immigration was invented. The government and elites pushed this, to a large extent, on a more conservative population. If social media had existed it may have never happened in the first place! Except then it turned out to be an amazing success, in my opinion, the most successful multicultural immigration system in the world in terms of high immigration rates (twice as high as the United States!) while having good social integration and maintaining high public support. The elites were right, and the masses were too blind to see that it can work.

Then of course, as we know, post 2015, Trudeau Jr broke everything by spiking immigration rates too high too fast (see https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-how-canada-got-immigration-right-and-then-very-wrong/ ) which is a perfect example of how elites from 2012-2022 lost their minds and lost the trust of the public.

Is it “populist” that now for the first time in my life, there are active voices in Canada saying we should go back to all-white immigration? That used to be off-limits, beyond the pale, and in my opinion rightly so. (But they’re not wrong that multicultural immigration only works up to a certain rate — which the Trudeau LPC broke… so it’s more complex)

This comment has ended up somewhat muddled, so I’ll try to just summarize it here. I’m not convinced that we ever would’ve had our modern multicultural immigration system in the 1960s in the first place without elite gatekeepers and if social media had existed then. And I’m *really* worried that the Overton window is now shifting back to some really dark places — somewhat legitimately in backlash to the excesses of the “woke” Trudeau Liberals — but the pendulum swinging back is going to go really far without any kind of brake pedal from elite gatekeepers.

Anyway A+ essay, I’ll be sending this to people. It challenged my thinking.

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Years ago, I was in a public health class and the professor, who had to be in his mid '50's, told us "you cannot ever lie, mislead, or withhold information to the public or you will lose the public's trust and you will deserve it. And it will take years to earn that public trust back." This was when W was president , so most of the students rolled their eyes because we had an idiot for president. He patiently explained that people make decisions for reasons and they're rarely stupid. Often times it's because they have different values, but it could also be due to having different experiences, needs, life situations or information and it was our job to listen to the public and take those factors into account in our responses to things like crises or fights over policy. As far as he was concerned our strongest took was persuasion. The field of public health has changed a lot since then.

I mention this because that worldview seems much rarer amongst people who self-identify as elites. One of the things that I took away from that class was that persuading people meant that you had to actually listen to people and that could lead to you having to reevaluate your own positions. It's risky if you have an emotional attachment to your positions, but if you're going to present yourself as the smart, rational side, you really do have to ensure that your information is accurate and complete and that your reasoning does make sense. You might have to admit that you got something wrong. It's much more comfortable to tell yourself that the public is full of bigots, idiots and rubes who are easily fooled by fake news.

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