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Drew Margolin's avatar

Excellent post. I always like reading philosophers because they excel at providing precise, accurate definitions and then follow through on them to all of the implications. This topic is normally very muddy so this effort is very much appreciated here.

I see a lot of pushback from readers re: the definition. I do think it would be possible to choose a much narrower definition, one where the power and interest of the government must be the driving force (e.g. Soviet Propaganda). This was not Bernays’ original meaning (he was in the PR game for companies, and is generally credited with popularizing the term). However, for many people it has come to mean something like this. I am just returning from a conference where a paper was presented on the new, “decentralized” form of Chinese state propaganda. Excellent paper, but I asked the author whether the uncoordinated behavior they document should really still be called “propaganda.” Not that it couldn’t be, but do we lose something when we broaden the term in this way.

But in a way, this is putting the semantics over the phenomenon. @Dan Williams could have called this “manipulative-speech” — defined it exactly the same way, with exactly the same implications. Then we couldn’t object to the term, but would have to wrestle with the conclusions for what they say—that we engage in it without realizing it, that our own minds are polluted by it etc. Or, in other words, that what Donald Trump does is, at least, plausibly what we all do unless we can figure out some place to draw a line, or some variable that gives us a matter of degree. Which is terrible to think.

The other objection I see is that defining propaganda as “not true” seems to reify and objective truth that we “now know” has been debunked. I have a way to address this but it will require more than a comment.

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Saul D. Raw's avatar

I am unsure of the point of this essay. Everything involves some level of propaganda, and it is omnipresent. The essay would be more interesting to me if it could demonstrate instances of the absence of propaganda, if such a thing exists.

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