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Jason's avatar

Fascinating and unsettling. That most of us are psychopaths when it comes to factory farming and the meat we eat and milk we drink is a thought I was recently reminded of reading an interview of a sociopath discussing her new book in the New York Times.

I do wonder about the social impact of this “uncomfortable knowledge” that you present. What, for example, would happen to trust levels in Norway and Sweden if this view of human nature were widely acknowledged? Are there better and worse ways to frame it? What does this mean for the power of ideas like egalitarianism, democracy and the expanding moral circle?

I suppose as always we must be vigilant to the appeal to nature when it comes to how ideas of this sort are deployed in the field of politics and relationships.

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Norman Siebrasse's avatar

I don’t doubt Hare & Woods argument is flawed in the ways you describe, but I don’t think that’s enough to support your “bottom line” that human cooperation is not illuminated by analogy with the process of domestication. Wrangham’s argument is that “Reduced reactive aggression must feature alongside intelligence, cooperation, and social learning as a key contributor to the emergence and success of our species. Docility should be considered as foundational of humankind, not just because it is unusual, but because it seems likely to be a vital precondition for advanced cooperation and social learning” (124). His argument strikes me as broadly persuasive and does not seem subject to the criticisms you make of Hare & Woods.

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