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Victor Kumar's avatar

Great post. I think Dan is right to reject the constrained/tragic view of human knowledge. Humans are vastly ignorant of most things, but incremental epistemic gains are possible through better norms and institutions. Intellectual progress in science is a case in point. It would be great if we could create similar norms and institutions governing political discourse.

But I don’t share Dan’s embrace of the constrained/tragic view of morality, or not entirely. Just as human knowledge has progressed, so has morality — and not just through better institutions but also through changes in human psychology. Moral circles have expanded to encompass ethnic minorities and LGBTQ+ people. Integration into market economies has expanded interpersonal trust.

Human values and norms are extremely flexible (for better and for worse). I don’t doubt that humans will always be selfish, and there may well be limits to psychological moral progress. I’m not a utopian, but I don’t see any reason to think we’ve reached those limits already.

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Quite similarly to how you are in favour of a "constrained vision of human altruism without thinking that humans are exclusively selfish", one could say you are in favour of a (but these are now my own words) "constrained vision of human knowledge without thinking that there's no hope, with the right incentives, of epistemic progress" --- except that if there is hope, then it's actually not correct, strictly speaking, to use the word "constrained". Only the moral vision is tragically constrained. The epistemic vision is not. I think that's indeed an important insight.

Notwithstanding this "strictly speaking", though, it remains the case that the correct perspective is very sympathetic to the "constrained" camp in both the moral and the epistemic case.

But then (finally coming to the point of my comment) it makes sense for there in politics to be on offer, as Sowell apparently claims but you deny, a typical leftist package deal combining the two different unconstrained perspectives. It's the package for stupid people! Or let's say, it attracts a kind of thinker who, even though perhaps highly academically educated, seriously and systematically misunderstands human nature and social dynamics.

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